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07.07.2010 3:20, Mike Bybee пишет:
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Johann
Kois <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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On 07.07.2010 01:02, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:finid@linuxbsdos.com" target="_blank">finid@linuxbsdos.com</a>
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>>><br>
>> I actually like the development tab and use it
regularly - I'd vote to<br>
>> keep it. Realistically very few actual 'end users'
use PC-BSD, but a lot<br>
> of devs do.<br>
><br>
> Mike, those "end users" are actually waiting,
desperately waiting for<br>
> PC-BSD to become a lot more end user-friendly, so that
they can use it.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Fini D.<br>
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Hm, you want to clarify what makes the system so "totally
unusable" at<br>
the moment? So that "the end-users" cannot use it?<br>
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jkois<br>
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Johann Kois<br>
jkois(at)FreeBSD.org<br>
FreeBSD Documentation Project<br>
FreeBSD German Documentation Project - <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://doc.bsdgroup.de"
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<div>If you mean that seriously, I can provide notes from my
most recent pilot project. If you're being facetious, then I
would recommend you go find a random business person and ask
them to use PC-BSD for 2 weeks.</div>
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<div>It's very difficult to get "basic" things working like OCS
(even with Pidgin and SIPE), NetMeeting (yes, many places
still use this as the desktop sharing utility), CheckPoint
VPN, easy multi-screen desktop setup for presentations, laptop
sleep/hibernation mode (especially when users are accustomed
to simply slapping their laptops closed when walking from
meeting to meeting), working with their iPhones (possible but
tricky), playing CDs on their machines - the list goes on and
on. Sharepoint document collaboration 'kind of' works. You end
up having to check out and check in, you can't just click and
edit. Seems minor to me, but I assure you people were very
annoyed by this. Intel Landesk compatibility.</div>
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<div>PC-BSD is a fantastic OS, and many of these issues aren't
PC-BSD's issues to resolve. They *are* issues that a user has
to confront, however. The screen corruption and sleep issues
alone are enough to kill it 99% of the time, and there's not
much we can do to fix that. Today's modern work environment is
mostly laptops - at my company, over 60,000 of them worldwide
from a variety of vendors running a huge pile of software and
largely XP or Windows Vista. Many of these users are
technical/engineering types. Remarkably enough, they have the
*least* patience for a machine that doesn't work properly
(AutoCAD not being super snappy, for example) and they will
plug in the weirdest things.</div>
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<div>2 weeks of pilot, 20 users, PC-BSD (with almost every app
they requested, save netmeeting and VPN) score 4/10 for
usability. Some of these users had heard of Linux, some didn't
even know what OS their machine ran (Word and Outlook were the
most popular answers in the group).</div>
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Yes, currently PC-BSD not for any user. 99% of user requirements can
be met, but there is "that" program, which is inevitable.<br>
Most stop-factors for average users IMHO is:<br>
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1. Pretty long boot time (OMG, is this ever boots?... normal
reaction from user) -> FreeBSD issue.<br>
2. Simple reset (power blackout, laptop battery death, etc) produce
even more longer boot time (fsck...) -> FS issue. Could be
partially solved with making some parts of OS placed at read-only
partititon, and create some tricks for updating, etc.... but really
UFS should be upgraded instead in some far future.<br>
3. No file extension bindings, which works in every program. (It's
2010 year, WHY I can't simply click by *.doc in for example
ThunderBird (or in FF, Opera, etc) and OpenOffice will open this
file? Why I can't set my prefered browser as default browser, and
click links in kopete, pidgin, skype etc, and they all will open as
expected, and not in konqueror/firefox/randomBrowser/etc?.. 5(!!!)
years there is MKV format, and no file binding in all programs... )
-> Configuration issue, pretty much of work.<br>
4. "Where is my C: ?... Where is my flash I plugged in?" ->
Dolphin should have similar to Gnome Special place, like "My PC",
definetely; -> KDE issue<br>
5. Why I drag this there and some weird "Plasma" crashed? -> no
comments<br>
6. Fonts aren't pretty -> not all sizes, not all languages, not
all screen-resolutions looks great. -> large amount of
configuration<br>
7. Office people mostly need print it, Scan it, send it, fax -
rename it, etc. So scanners, printers should be easily configured,
which isn't so easy ATM. -> all Unixes problem;<br>
8. Laptops - Hibernate/Sleep/Multimedia buttons -> FreeBSD issue;<br>
9. Bigger than in MSW latency when switching programs with Alt-Tab.
(Notable not only by light-speed hackers, but also by users)<br>
10. Flash played with lags -> not our problem, but users
complains;<br>
11. Programs launch time is bigger than in MSW. About few seconds
against <1 sec. -> FreeBSD/KDE/X/LD issue ?...<br>
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And of course there is more.<br>
...........................<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Mike Bybee<br>
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