[PC-BSD Testing] pbsd-snapshot-20120605 - new mount tray - mostly doesn't work for usb flash driives on my laptop

Curt Dox tigersharke at gmail.com
Fri Jun 15 12:19:12 PDT 2012


On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Ken Moore <ken at pcbsd.org> wrote:

>  On 06/15/2012 02:52, Curt Dox wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Ken Moore <ken at pcbsd.org> wrote:
>
>>   On 06/13/2012 16:17, Curt Dox wrote:
>>
>>
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>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Ken Moore <ken at pcbsd.org> wrote:
>>
>>>  On 06/13/2012 06:15, user10508 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mount tray initial state after boot:
>>>>
>>>> The mount tray lists sata-device-0 through sata-device-7.
>>>>
>>>> A mouse over of each of these mount tray entries results in a tool-tip
>>>> like pop up with the message:
>>>>
>>>> unmounted - may be removed.
>>>>
>>>> Right clicking on a mount tray list item does not produce any action.
>>>>
>>>> Left clicking on a mount tray list item either results in the mounting
>>>> of a partition or raises an exception with the message:
>>>>
>>>> The filesystem on this device is unknown and cannot be mounted at this
>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>> Inserting a usb flash drive usually results in the addition of one
>>>> device name to the mount tray item list. When a usb flash drive is
>>>> inserted it is usually assigned the name:
>>>>
>>>> usb-device-0
>>>>
>>>> This device name is also found on the gnome desktop as:
>>>>
>>>> /media/USB-Device-0, a directory name; the contents of this directory
>>>> is usually empty.
>>>>
>>>> Rarely, the device and its contents are mounted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> About the nomenclature used to describe mount tray functionality:
>>>>
>>>> I don't have seven sata devices on my laptop. I do have one 500 GB sata
>>>> disk currently with seven partitions.
>>>>
>>>> I know what mount tray is talking about because I've formatted the
>>>> drive and the partitions in use manually.
>>>>
>>>> I think it would be clearer if  mount tray indicated both
>>>> device and partition number.
>>>>
>>>> Usage case
>>>>
>>>> Were there two sata drives on my laptop the current method of
>>>> describing entries could quickly become very confusing; for a desktop
>>>> workstation, which might have several drives, I don't think this method
>>>> would allow a user to quickly navigate to a particular partition and
>>>> mount it with any degree of certainty.
>>>>
>>>> Additional configuration options:
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible to configure mount tray and tell it about a file system
>>>> after the system is running - if not - please consider this as a right
>>>> click option for a mount tray list item or a configuration option for
>>>> mount tray on the pcbsd control panel.
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>>>
>>>  Since the mount tray is a brand-new utility, we are still working out
>>> some of the bugs in it.
>>> Could you close the tray app, then run "sudo pc-mounttray" from a
>>> terminal and let me know what kind of terminal outputs you are getting when
>>> you try to mount your USB drives?
>>> Also, I am currently working on a better device-name detection method
>>> for the tray as well. As such, the next snapshot should have it working
>>> better.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the report!
>>>
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>>> ~~ Ken Moore ~~
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>>
>> Hello..
>>
>> I have not extensively tested this feature, however, one idea does spring
>> to mind after reading this. I am uncertain exactly how best to implement
>> it, whether a preferences setting or nested tree, or some sort of
>> combination.  My thought is to enable 'mount by physical device' as an
>> option along with 'mount by slice/partition.'  This way, the average user
>> will get an expected result (especially assuming an automatic mount is
>> enabled) and BSD folks may also have their method.
>>
>> Thanks for your efforts!
>>
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>>  I am not sure that I understand exactly what you are referring to here.
>> Say for example that you have a hard-drive (ada0) with 3 partitions
>> (ada0s1,ada0s2,ada0s3). Do you mean that you would want an option to mount
>> ada0 in addition to mounting ada0s* partitions?
>> Right now it check for partitions once it detects a hard-drive (ada0),
>> and if there are no partitions (ada0s*) it lets you mount the disk directly
>> (ada0).
>>
>> Disclaimer: The "ada0" label is just for example purposes, not a
>> limitation of what devices can be detected by the program
>>
>>
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> If a device has multiple partitions, it would be nice to set a preference
> that all those partitions would automatically be mounted upon attachment.
> The reverse of this preference would be that the specific partition(s) to
> mount is user-chosen at attachment time while all identified/mountable
> partitions are shown (about how it occurs in KDE).
>
> I am not sure what effect mounting ada0 would have, if that device has
> ada0s1, ada0s2, and ada0s3.  However, if there is a difference between
> mounting ada0 versus mounting all of its partitions, then I guess I'd have
> to think some more.
>
> My thinking is, that generally, were I using Windows, and I insert a usb
> device, the expectation would be that all partitions are mounted
> automatically. However, this may not be the assumed result for many BSD
> users. Assuming this device can be uniquely identified, device specific
> actions could also be configured for automation..
>
> I hope I have not muddled it worse.
>
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> Basically, you want the option to set specific devices/partitions to
> automatically mount upon detection, rather than requiring all
> devices/partitions to wait for the user to click on them before they mount.
> Is this a fair summary?
>
>
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> Yes, finally in simplest terms :)
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