[PC-BSD Testing] Re. 8.1 Beta - version bump for libGL ?

Kris Moore kris at pcbsd.org
Mon Jun 7 03:18:48 PDT 2010

On 06/07/2010 13:29, Arthur Koziol wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> Just curious to know if there is a reason that libGL is not being 
>> updated in this release. KDE, Xorg and Nvidia seem to have been. I 
>> would have thought libGL might be bumped to. Considering its is 
>> supposedly very important for those running ATI card under the radeon 
>> and radeonhd drivers not to mention other fixes(like, Assorted fixes 
>> to VMware SVGA gallium driver).
>> From ----> http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd%3Aexperimental_3D
>> "Mesa r600 driver was added in 7.6.1, however it it good idea to use 
>> 7.7 at least "
>> According to the release notes for PC-BSD 8.1 beta. It still 
>> uses 7.4.4. Is this to avoid potential upgrade issues for users?
>> Releases of libGL/Mesa
>> http://www.mesa3d.org/
>> From Mesa 7.5 Release Notes
>> "Note that the Mesa project is no longer using odd/even version 
>> numbers to indicate development/stable releases. The so-called 
>> development releases have been fairly stable. If you're especially 
>> concerned with stability you should probably look for "point" 
>> releases such as 7.5.1 which will be a bug-fix release"
>> Regards Jarrod
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> Jarrod,
> I think what some of the holdup is due to the fact that a lot of Mesa 
> development is geared towards what's happening in Linux-land and 
> deprecation of HAL in favor of KMS, DRM and related stuff. KMS hasn't 
> made it's way to BSD-land (if ever) so I think BSD is still kind of 
> stuck with HAL and no KMS and proper DRM updates. As such, many of the 
> benefits of the most current drivers and packages the Linux folks are 
> using can't be taken advantage of, yet. A lot of what's in xorg and 
> server 1.8 and onward is favoring KMS and I think the work going into 
> the xf86 video drivers and Mesa is also deprecating HAL stuff in favor 
> of KMS too. Although you see Mesa as 7.4.4, it has snippets of 7.6.1 
> (and some updated libdrm stuff) in it but is not *officially* a full 
> 7.6.1 release as it were. So it's just BSD not quite being caught up 
> with the times. I am surprised that with all the talk in the past 
> years of HAL deprecation coming from the xorg folks that the BSD 
> developers are not following suit to dump HAL in favor of some kind of 
> similar KMS strategy because support for HAL has been dieing for quite 
> a while now and KMS sans HAL is the direction everything is going. 
> Maybe by 9.0, who knows.
> Arthur

To get more details, I recommend reading / posting to the FreeBSD X11 
mailing list:


That's where the actual devs for xorg on FreeBSD hang out, and I'm sure 
they can provide more specifics on what their plan is :)

Kris Moore
PC-BSD Software

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