[PC-BSD Testing] PC-BSD 8.1 RC1 - thoughts and ideas

Mike Bybee mbybee at dometrilogy.com
Wed Jul 7 06:24:03 PDT 2010


On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:14 AM, Kris Moore <kris at pcbsd.org> wrote:

> On 07/07/2010 05:25, Johann Kois wrote:
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>> On 07.07.2010 02:20, Mike Bybee wrote:
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>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Johann Kois<jkois at freebsd.org
>>> <mailto:jkois at freebsd.org>>  wrote:
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>>>     On 07.07.2010 01:02, finid at linuxbsdos.com
>>>     <mailto:finid at linuxbsdos.com>  wrote:
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>  I actually like the development tab and use it regularly - I'd
>>>     vote to
>>>     >>  keep it. Realistically very few actual 'end users' use PC-BSD,
>>>     but a lot
>>>     >  of devs do.
>>>     >
>>>     >  Mike, those "end users" are actually waiting, desperately waiting
>>> for
>>>     >  PC-BSD to become a lot more end user-friendly, so that they can
>>>     use it.
>>>     >
>>>     >  --
>>>     >  Fini D.
>>>     >   ___________________________
>>>
>>>     Hm, you want to clarify what makes the system so "totally unusable"
>>> at
>>>     the moment?  So that "the end-users" cannot use it?
>>>
>>>
>>>     jkois
>>>
>>>     - --
>>>      Johann Kois
>>>      jkois(at)FreeBSD.org
>>>      FreeBSD Documentation Project
>>>      FreeBSD German Documentation Project - https://doc.bsdgroup.de
>>>
>>>
>>> If you mean that seriously, I can provide notes from my most recent
>>> pilot project. If you're being facetious, then I would recommend you go
>>> find a random business person and ask them to use PC-BSD for 2 weeks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I am always serious.  No time for joking around on mailinglists.  But if
>> such a statement as above is made (and "cannot use a system" for me
>> equals "is not usable, therefore unusable") I just want to know what
>> exactly the encountered problems are.
>>
>> But that is not the real point here.  I agree there are several issues
>> regarding the usage of PC-BSD which will/can create problems especially
>> for end-users (by that I mean newer/less experienced users).
>>
>> But:
>>
>> - - Are all these problems documented somewhere?  And I am not talking
>> about a post on a mailinglist here, because it is pretty easy to miss
>> such reports within all the posts on the list.  Maybe they are all
>> reported on http://trac.pcbsd.org as feature requests/problem reports?
>> - - If they are all documented/reported.  Is there enough manpower to
>> investigate/implement all these changes?  Does the PC-BSD Project even
>> have the possibility to change/fix all of them?  I think we know the
>> answer to that questions (unfortunately) ...
>> - - What is/should be the ultimate goal of PC-BSD?  Making experiencing
>> "BSD on the desktop" easier?  Or make it the "perfect desktop
>> experience"?  In reality it is probably the first one, but what many
>> people would like to see is the second one (again mostly a problem of
>> available manpower/ressources).
>>
>>
>>
>> jkois
>>
>>
>
> Lots of good ideas here and important fixes to improve PC-BSD, however what
> it always comes down to is time and manpower. Obviously if I could fix every
> single thing here in the next few weeks / months / year I would. But that's
> just not realistic at this point, so instead for each major & point release
> I try to identify a few key areas which need improvement and work on those,
> get them done and then move on.
>
> This is open-source though, so if anybody has a particular key area they
> want to see improved, then by all means get hacking. If enough people take
> on just a single task we can start to make a dent in a lot of these things
> rather quickly. I've just setup our TODO list for 9.0 which is about a year
> out, with some of the big issues I have on my plate to start fixing:
>
> http://wiki.pcbsd.org/index.php/PC-BSD_9.0_TODO
>
> Feel free to add yourselves to the list with goals to have done for 9 or
> e-mail me if you want to discuss any other specific ideas to work on. If you
> want to work on something FreeBSD specific, like laptop suspend / sleep /
> resume then we can probably point you in the right direction :)
>
> --
> Kris Moore
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I would love to step up and help on the suspend resume and power management
if you can point me in the right direction.

-- 
Thanks,
Mike Bybee
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