[PC-BSD Testing] PCBSD 8 Release: Oh noes, for me it no goes

Mike Bybee mbybee at dometrilogy.com
Mon Feb 22 09:54:29 PST 2010

On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Kris Moore <kris at pcbsd.com> wrote:

> On 02/22/2010 12:32, finid at linuxbsdos.com wrote:
> >>> Kris,
> >>>
> >>> Ok, ok so I know it hasn't been OFFICIALLY released but that didn't
> stop
> >>> me from grabbing it (32-bit) from one of the mirrors over the weekend
> to
> >>> be able to install on my work abuse PC this morning. Here are a couple
> >>> things that I have already experienced on not one, not two, but three
> >>> fresh re-installs:
> >>>
> >>> 1. I have it set to autologin but after a few seconds of sitting on the
> >>> desktop, it suddenly logs off and sits at the prompt for username and
> >>> password. If I log in, it will load the desktop and then nothing works
> >>> but the mouse. Clock on things and hovering over stuff does nothing. I
> >>> have to hit the power button to shut down. On subsequent tries I notice
> >>> that the iBus icon in the tray is not visible. There's a blank space in
> >>> it's place as if it is loaded but the icon is not displaying.
> >>>
> >>> 2. On subsequent boots, if I do make it to the desktop and it does not
> >>> log off, nothing is clickable on the desktop. It seems frozen. Can't
> >>> drop down to command line either.
> >>>
> >>> I'm going to let it sit for a while and see if something times out or
> >>> pops up. Kris, anything you want me to try?
> >>>
> >>
> >> I have 8 running on an Intel 64 PC. Never used auto-login, so I'm not
> >> experiencing the issue that you have. I'm very surprised that 8 was
> >> "released" when all the major issues have not been retested. The main
> >> issue with Software Manager is unresolved. KsCD still does not play. NTP
> >> is still broken. Should we have another RC before the final, official
> >> release?
> >>
> >
> > Too late. Release announcement is on the site. Great job all. Looking
> > forward to 8.1.
> >
> > Kris,
> >
> > Is ZFS at a state where it could be made the default FS?
> >
> NOO!! :)
> ZFS, while great, is a HUGE memory hog, running on i386, or on a system
> with less than 4GB of RAM, its still possible to crash it by copying
> large files over a fast network connection (like 20GB file or so). If
> they improve it to the point where it "just works" on 512MB of ram then
> I'll be happy to default to it, until then we are simply stuck waiting
> for the "average" system to have more memory to accommodate ZFS.
> --
> Kris Moore
> PC-BSD Software
> http://www.pcbsd.com
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Seconded - *please* do not default to ZFS in the foreseeable future. It's
really not ready for desktop usage by average people. It's fantastic server
FS, but I don't think the target audience for PC-BSD is ideal for it (yet).

I also don't look forward to the poor schmuck who tries to help someone else
recover a drive that's ZFS (and doesn't know it). It's not nearly as common
as ext2, fat32, ntfs, ufs, etc...

Mike Bybee
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