[PC-BSD Testing] Testing Digest, Vol 8, Issue 35
Ahmad Arafat Abdullah
trunasuci at gmail.com
Thu Aug 30 18:12:29 PDT 2007
>From your point of view ( and also both of u of course), which one is
better? Pico or Nano? seems like Nano is based on pico but have some
enhancements ( that's from what i read )
On 8/30/07, Kris Moore <kris at pcbsd.com> wrote:
> Terry Poulin wrote:
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:07:54 -0700 (PDT)
> >> From: sc at sdf.lonestar.org
> >> Subject: [PC-BSD Testing] Add nano/joe editors, and a little bootup
> >> help?
> >> To: testing at lists.pcbsd.org
> >> Message-ID: <642188.8.131.52.44.1188349674.squirrel at sc.freeshell.org>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
> >> Kris et al.,
> >> This pertains to last Friday's snapshot (and earlier), but since I
> >> heard anyone else mention this, I think it would be nice to offer a
> >> of a few widely familiar and comfortable text editors right from the
> >> start, that could be available when things go badly during or after an
> >> install.
> >> The included "edit" editor is OK, but many people probably could work
> >> better and make fewer mistakes with joe or even pico/nano.
> > Any thing simple and with on screen guides should work, but Pico would
> > probably be best... It's as basic as ed yet as simple as notepad in a
> > ready package.
> I can concede to adding "pico" to the base, I have a soft spot for it,
> since its the editor I first learned FreeBSD on, before having to master
> "vi" :) That'll probably help us with troubleshooting when a user needs
> to edit a file from the command-line.
> >> Also, the bootup process is still screechingly at odds with PC-BSD's
> >> work elsewhere at making FreeBSD easier to use. When an install didn't
> >> work recently because an old non-booting disk drive that was attached
> >> the system "failed" (as far as I could see, it didn't pass fsck because
> >> 1 bad cluster), all the wonderful GUIs and goodness of PC-BSD vanished
> >> when the bootup process tossed itself overboard at a point when not
> >> joe could run because the state of things yet was such that random
> >> addressing for the screen wasn't working.
> >> The system behaved as if this disk was critical to its operation. That
> >> far from true, and an easy-to-use option to bypass it rather than
> >> struggling against the system's wrong assumptions would have been very
> >> welcome. Some errors can be addressed much better after the boot disk
> >> the system are fully up and operational. Forcing the user to solve such
> >> problems at a partially effective system prompt with severely limited
> >> tools is sub-optimal. More than once while this was happening, not only
> >> that ancient disk but the main boot disk too were marked read-only and
> >> even root could edit the necessary files to get around it.
> >> Some useful messages (understandable to the average person) about how
> >> bypass this kind of thing are fairly nonexistent in FreeBSD's bootup
> >> process. It would be very helpful to look through the bootup procedure
> >> see what helpful informational messages and screens screens could be
> >> at various points, to help new desktop users who aren't Unix gurus when
> >> bootup falls over and throws PC-BSD on its ear in the mud.
> >> At least, giving the user clearer ways to differentiate between really
> >> showstopping errors and lesser errors that could be fixed more
> >> once the desktop GUI system is up, compared to trying to fix things
> >> partway through bootup using sticks and flint knives, seems desirable
> >> at all possible.
> >> -rsc
> > I suppose that is a question of how true to the underlaying FreeBSD the
> > developers wish to stay with what changes they do make.
> > TerryP.
> As for the boot process, these are all valid points. I'm going to put
> this down to investigate for the next release. We'll just have to figure
> out if we can add some sort of "monitoring" service, which keeps track
> of the startup, and takes appropriate actions if the load fails.
> Kris Moore
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