[PC-BSD Public] help - UEFI bios seems to prevent install of either PCBSD 9.1 or 9.2

Bret Busby bret.busby at gmail.com
Fri Nov 22 21:14:26 PST 2013

On 23/11/2013, Ken Moore <ken at pcbsd.org> wrote:
> On 11/22/2013 12:41, Eric Otto wrote:
>> Hi!
>> I have an HP Envy DV6 7373ca (born on date: 02/13/2013) that
>> originally had Windows 8 on it. I wiped the 1 Tb hhd (almost 6 days to
>> wipe using the 35 pass Guttman method, DBAN), enabled Legacy support
>> in the bios and put the dvd at the top of the boot order.
>> PCBSD 9.1 started to install normally, a bunch of lines scrolled past,
>> then I got a blank, black screen and nothing further happened.
>> PCBSD 9.2 displayed the graphical install screen, but installing gave
>> a blank, black window and nothing further happened.
>> HP support won't talk to me unless I have a Windows 8 problem.
>> Is there any way to get PCBSD to install on this laptop? It would be
>> really sad if I buy the hardware but only Microsoft owns it.
>> Cheers!
>> Eric
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> You should probably try the 10.x development version of PC-BSD[1]. I
> think I remember hearing that the UEFI support was finally available in
> FreeBSD 10.0, but I can't be sure about that.
> [1] http://iso.cdn.pcbsd.org/10-STABLE/amd64/
> --
> ~~ Ken Moore ~~
> PC-BSD/iXsystems


This was dealt with on the support mailing list.

So, two things --

1. It is probably worth also being subscribed to the PC-BSD support
mailing list, and

2. It seems that version 10 of PC-BSD, will be the one to first allow
installation on a UEFI/GPT system, rather than a BIOS/FAT/MBR system.

Oh, and I believe that UEFI and BIOS are mutually exclusive - I
believe that UEFI superseded BIOS, and GPT superseded FAT, but, others
more knowledgeable can advise about that

See below.

Bret Busby
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------ Forwarded message ----------
From: Kris Moore <kris at pcbsd.org>
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 15:21:28 -0400
Subject: Re: [PC-BSD Support] PC-BSD and UEFI and GPT and MS Windows 8
To: support at lists.pcbsd.org, Bret Busby <bret.busby at gmail.com>

On 10/08/2013 12:29, Bret Busby wrote:
> Hello.
> I have read of problems with trying to instal operating systems as
> dual and multiple boot scenario's with MS Windows 8. Reference has
> been made to the "secure boot" obstruction to installing operating
> systems other than MS Windows 8.
> In doing a little research, I have found that MS Windows 8
> (apparently) uses UEFI instead of BIOS, and GPT, and does not use
> MBR's, and that the architecture of UEFI and / or GPT, instead of
> being limited to 4 primary partitions, allows up to 128 partitions,
> and does not differentiate between primary and non-primary partitions
> (which should, in theory, be helpful in installing PC-BSD, with its
> need for installation in a primary partition, where the older MBR
> system is used, if PC-BSD can thence be installed on a UEFI / GPT
> system).
> I wonder then, whether PC-BSD (especially, the latest version, 9.2)
> has been installed on one of these UEFI/GPT based MS Windows 8
> systems, as a dual-boot or multiple boot system, and, if so, whether
> any installation instructions relating to installing PC-BSD on a MS
> Windows 8, UEFI/GPT based system, as a dual or multiple boot system,
> are published, and, if so, do those instructions include how to
> determine whether the "secure boot" obstruction is set to stop
> installation of non-MS Windows 8 operating systems, or, how to get
> around the "secure boot" obstruction, so as to allow PC-BSD to be
> installed?
> Thank you in anticipation.

9.2 supports installing to a GPT partition, however it still does not
support UEFI / secure-boot. This is something we are currently working
on for 10.0 later this fall. My hope is to have dual-booting working
with Windows 8 natively. Keep an eye on our mailing lists, I will post
details there once we have images available for testing.

Kris Moore
PC-BSD Software


--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Dru Lavigne <dru.lavigne at att.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:25:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [PC-BSD Support] PC-BSD and UEFI and GPT and MS Windows 8
To: "support at lists.pcbsd.org" <support at lists.pcbsd.org>

>In the research that I had done about this, I had found the following material.
>The FreeBSD Foundation is pleased to announce that Benno Rice has been
>awarded a grant to implement the ability to boot FreeBSD in the
>Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) boot environment.
>The work to be done includes a new version of the loader, kernel
>modifications to support starting from a UEFI environment and the
>ability to create install media for pure UEFI systems.
>?UEFI support is critical for FreeBSD?s future on the amd64 platform
>and I?m really pleased to be able to ensure that FreeBSD gains support
>for it,? said Benno.
>This project is expected to be completed in March 2013.
>Post Published: 05 March 2013
>I think an error may exist, regarding the post publishing date, and
>its relationship to the expected date of completion of the project.
>But, because of what I understand to be the relationship between
>FreeBSD and PC-BSD, I assume that a development such as the one
>mentioned in that article, would impact on PC-BSD.
>Please advise regarding that, and, whether anything is known of any
>progress in the project "to implement the ability to boot FreeBSD in
>the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) boot environment".

Just to clarify regarding Foundation sponsored Projects. Work that
occurs happens either in HEAD or in a projects area that gets
committed to HEAD by the end of the project completion. This means
that this project should be in 10 (which was HEAD at that time), and
assuming that it is accepted as stable enough to include in a release,
should be in 10.0-RELEASE. I haven't kept up with commit messages to
see if it is slated to be in 10.0 RELEASE, so perhaps Kris would know
the answer to that one. If it is slated, there should be images soon
as Kris is working on the first batch of 10.0 images.



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